The Kinslayer

Započeo Elizabeth, Septembar 11, 2005, 00:11:01

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Elizabeth

Septembar 11, 2005, 00:11:01
Dakle. Text i muziku vec znate, a verovatno i pricu koja stoji iza ove pesme:

The Kinslayer
On April 20th, 1999 two teenagers, Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold went to Columbine High School, in Colorado with handmade bombs and shotguns, with intention to kill as many of their schoolmates as possible. As they entered the school, they started shooting and throwing bombs everywhere, killing 9 boys, 4 girls and finally themselves. This was carefully planned for over a year, and these guys were determined to kill also themselves afterwards. They had no real motive. They made a videotape in the morning just before the massacre where they said: "We are going to kill you all. You have been giving us shit for years. We want to say our sorry for our parents; there's nothing you could have done. This is something we must do. We're sorry; we didn't like life very much..."

The event is something I will never understand. If something as horrible as this can happen in this world, there's no sense, no truth to cling to anymore. I find there's a great deal of symbolism hidden in this happening.

The dialogue in the middle of the song quotes the actual phrases between the killers and their schoolmates during the shooting. (According to those who survived)


This song is about massacre in Columbine High School in Colorado. Twelve students and one teacher were killed when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went on a shooting rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on 20 April, before taking their own lives. Harris and Klebold made at least five tapes of the events leading up to the school massacre. The last was recorded less than an hour before the shootings. They said that their hatred was directed against "niggers, spics, Jews, gays", but also whites who did not side with them. Throughout the tapes the killers show hardly any remorse, although they are clearly aware that what they are about to do will ruin their parents' lives. "Good wombs hath borne bad sons," Eric Harris quotes from Shakespeare's "The Tempest". They recall how they were picked on and bullied at school, how they felt excluded by their own families. Except for his parents, Dylan Klebold says, his family treated him like an outcast. "You made me what I am. You added to the rage. "Being shy didn't help. I'm going to kill you all."



Anyway. Veceras sam na Discovery-ju odgledala dokumentarac posvecen ovom dogadjaju. Kada sam saznala (jos ranije) o cemu se u pesmi govori, slusala sam je i shvatala dublje i ozbiljnije, ali kad sam videla ovo... Zaista jeziv dogadjaj....

Sad je red na vas. Sta mislite o pesmi, dogadjaju koji ju je inspirisao, muzika, text... sve vezano za Kinslayer.



~ Vi slepi, vi gluvi
vi sebični ljudi
što pravite buku
bez reda i smisla
bez zašto i zato
za koga i kako
bez pitanja koje bi
možda osušilo
ponosni osmeh
na licu bez suza
na licu što nikada
obraz okrenulo nije... ~

Illusionist

#1
Septembar 11, 2005, 02:36:25
moja omiljena pesma...
treba li josh neshto?
Ne znam sta bih rekao.

Winter's Son

#2
Septembar 11, 2005, 19:05:13
Pa mogla bi da nam ukradko kazesh to shto si chula na Discovery-ju ...... pesma je extra ..............ali meni nije neshto posebno(razumeo sam istorijat iste....nemojte misliti da nisam........)
Citat: Winter's Son poslato Januar 30, 2009, 18:59:53
Zivi svoj zivot najbolje shto mozesh a drugima isti zagorchavaj, naravno, najbolje shto umesh :saint:
"Ja kad serem, serem sa stilom..."

CenturyTasha

#3
Septembar 12, 2005, 11:07:51
"Facing this unbearable fear like meeting an old friend"
"Time to die, poor mates, You made me what I am!"

"In this world of a million religions everyone prays the same way"
"Your praying is in vain It`ll all be over soon"
"Father help me, save me a place by your side!"
"There is no god Our creed is but for ourselves"

ovaj deo je (valjda,tako sam chula) razgovor od rechi do rechi ta dva lika sa zrtvama.....

"Not a hero unless you die Our species eat the wounded ones"

"Drunk with the blood of your victims
I do feel your pity-wanting pain,
Lust for fame, a deadly game"

"Run away with your impeccable kin!"

"- Good wombs hath borne bad sons..."

a za ovaj deo vec nisam sigurna.....mislim da je ovo Tuomas napisao....

4 pink ones (ubijene devojke)
9 blue ones (ubijeni momci)
2 black ones (njih dvojica)
color=gray]...  You're all I ever wanted
There's just pain
Without you  ...[/color]

[size=20]...  And I can't go on without you
But some things come between us,
My love  ...[/size][/i]

...  The sound of your breath
The smell of your hair
The touch of your golden skin
They keep me awake  ... [/i]

Idiotic Mind

#4
Septembar 17, 2005, 00:46:21
meni je ova pjesam genijalna
ali dogadjaj je uzasan...mislim na ovu dvojicu koja su uradila to sto su uradila

sto se tice muzike,prvi dio pjesme mi se posebno svidja
ali ajd sad ....mrsko mi pricat o tome

super pjesma :evil:
Half eaten by insects

Shelobina

#5
Septembar 18, 2005, 18:19:32
Nisam imala pojma da je pesma po tom dogadjaju...najezih se...Covek mora imati ozbiljnih problema u svojoj glavi da ucini tako nesto...

inace moja omiljena pesma od nw...

Neshmaster

#6
Septembar 19, 2005, 04:04:23
Ja sam se jednom nosio mishlju da pobijem sve shabane u svom razredu u srednjoj shkoli, al` predupredishe me ova dvojica , inache bi NW sad posvetio pesmu meni!
Jbg ...  :x
b][size=14]Come with us speeding through the night
As fast as any bird in flight
Silhouettes against the Mother Moon
We will be there soon  

  Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna [/size][/b]  

[size=16] MEMBER OF SICK / PERVERT CREW
[/size]

Telcontar

#7
Septembar 20, 2005, 23:08:02
Sto je najgore, ovo je samo jedan od barem 5-6 dogadjaja tog tipa uz adnjih 10-15 godina... U USA, Britaniji i Japanu...
Ne secam se tacno koliko je ljudo pobijeno u svim tim dogadjajima...
Znam da i pored toga nije prosa zakon o strozijoj kontroli oruzja u USA... to dovoljno govori...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold
color=black]..I wish for this nighttime to last for a lifetime
The darkness around me, shores of a solar sea
Oh how I wish to go down with the sun
Sleeping, weeping, with you...

The reaper is on the other side, let's go[/color]

[size=18]I truly hate you all ...[/size]


[size=10]Duja je rekao UBAGOVAN 29.01.2006 u 22:11:01[/size]

DreamyEyedChild

#8
Septembar 21, 2005, 10:41:48
Ovo je stvarno strasno,nisam znala da je pesma po toj prici napisana..
uvek sam mislila da je tema rat,zlo koje ljudi cine itd.
pa dobro,sad su mi bar jasniji neki delovi..
a pesma inace vec sama po sebi zvuci jako jezivo,cim sam je cula,odmah sam znala da je nesto opako..
color=red][size=24]NIGHTWISH FOREVER[/size][/color]

[size=24]N I G H T W I S H
N I G H T W I S H
N I G H T W I S H[/size]


Old love lies deep,you said......... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Elizabeth

#9
Septembar 22, 2005, 17:01:40
Citat: "Vorador"Pa mogla bi da nam ukradko kazesh to shto si chula na Discovery-ju ...... pesma je extra ..............ali meni nije neshto posebno(razumeo sam istorijat iste....nemojte misliti da nisam........)


Ma nista novo sto nema u clancima koje sam postavila ovde; rekonstruisan je citav dogadjaj, bukvalno iz minute u minutu. Najgori deo bio je ubijanje tih djaka, i na kkraju, momenat kad se Eric i Dylan odlucuju na samoubistvo...
Jezivo.

Ono sto me je zaprepastilo (a ne bi trebalo jer ionako zivimo u svetu gde je to k'o 'dobar dan') jeste to da za vreme trajanja citave drame (oko 3 sata) policija koja je sve vreme bila ispred skole nija NISTA uradila bar da pokusa da spase nekog od te dece... Imali su sto kade da upadnu i da uhvate ovu dvojicu, a samo su cekali da se stvari rese same od sebe...
Na kraju emisije je nekoliko roditelja i prezivelih ucenika skrenulo paznju na to. Jadni ljudi, bili su bas ogorceni...
Ne znam zasto, ali imam utisak da se poslednji stihovi '15 candles, redeemers of this world dwell in hipocracy how were we supposed to know' odnosi bas na ovu cinjenicu sa policijom.


Da, i prikazali su originalan snimak koji su Eric i Dylan snimili pre ovog dogadjaja, sa pretnjama da ce upasti u skolu i pobiti ljude...



~ Vi slepi, vi gluvi
vi sebični ljudi
što pravite buku
bez reda i smisla
bez zašto i zato
za koga i kako
bez pitanja koje bi
možda osušilo
ponosni osmeh
na licu bez suza
na licu što nikada
obraz okrenulo nije... ~

DreamyEyedChild

#10
Oktobar 02, 2005, 13:20:02
kinslayer mi je jedna od omiljenih pesama,ako ne i omiljena..bez obzira koliko cela prica bila jeziva,text nosi jako dobru poruku i to je najvaznije.a i muzika,i njen glas..sve dopunjava pricu.


Some wounds never heal
Some tears never will
dry for the unkind
cry for mankind!!



p.s. samo za jednu stvar nisam sigurna:zasto ih naziva The Redeemers?
color=red][size=24]NIGHTWISH FOREVER[/size][/color]

[size=24]N I G H T W I S H
N I G H T W I S H
N I G H T W I S H[/size]


Old love lies deep,you said......... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Ika

#11
Oktobar 02, 2005, 13:37:30
Samo pogledajte moj nick i znacete shta mislim o pesmi... :twisted:

Two For Tragedy

#12
Oktobar 03, 2005, 06:44:14
E ovo je njihova prva pesma koju sam skinuo na klavijaturi.Divota ju je svirati .... he he
.....::::: Tuomas on this 4um 4ever :::::.....


Never again
On your forcefed illusions to choke
You feed off my pain
Fee off my life...



A choir full of longing

Will call our ships to port

The countless lonely voices

Like whispers in the dark

Illusionist

#13
Oktobar 03, 2005, 13:11:54
bash sam se jedno vreme (kada sam pocheo da ih slusham) nashao na par mesta da pishe KinGslayer.. pa zamalo da pomislim da se pesma tako zove :lol:

inache jedno od tih `mesta` je i RockExpress.. :roll:
Ne znam sta bih rekao.

White Hunter

#14
Mart 05, 2006, 23:06:37
Pesma zbog koje nikako nisam mogao na miru da preslusam Wishmaster,uvek sam je vracao...
Kad sam je prvi put cuo mislio sam da peva i na engleskom i na finskom...wtf....je...
"Father help me,save me a place by your side..."-jezivo

"Our spirit was here long before you
Long before us
And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end "

Illusionist

#15
Maj 21, 2006, 14:20:38
da li je slusao neko onaj tehno remix ove pesme
ja sam skinuo deo pesme i totalno mi se zgadio sam pocetak tako da nisam imao snage da slusam dalje :roll:
Ne znam sta bih rekao.

Luka

#16
Maj 21, 2006, 14:26:54
Nisam cuo,ali zelim! :D Imas link? :?
Лешина се преко клисуре стровалила, нека сад у смрти пронађе свог господа !!! \м/

Illusionist

#17
Maj 21, 2006, 15:05:50
uh vidi na emule ili na soulseek
znam da ima na soulseek-u
Ne znam sta bih rekao.

Maza

#18
Maj 21, 2006, 16:37:00
Postoji remiks ove pesme??? :shock:
Love is the only truth
Pure as the will of youth
Until it breaks your heart :sad5:

Bound by this passion, I'm begging you please let me go
There is no escaping the feeling, I can't fight anymore :sad11:

With the absence of the heart
we could never smile
we can feel the bitter tears :wub:

Illusionist

#19
Maj 21, 2006, 19:50:56
Citat: "Maza"Postoji remiks ove pesme??? :shock:
da, s tim sto to nije radio niko iz NW-a
Ne znam sta bih rekao.

Maza

#20
Maj 21, 2006, 21:10:41
ma znam procitala sam gore da je tehno remiks
Love is the only truth
Pure as the will of youth
Until it breaks your heart :sad5:

Bound by this passion, I'm begging you please let me go
There is no escaping the feeling, I can't fight anymore :sad11:

With the absence of the heart
we could never smile
we can feel the bitter tears :wub:

Angel Of Light

#21
Januar 25, 2007, 18:19:33
ja sam cula taj remiks i grozan je :( pesma je odlicna,ali se uvek najezim dok je slusam kad pomislim na pricu koja je ispracena ovom pesmom
there can be miracles, when you believe...
-----------------------------------------
bila Tarja...muk... :wub: :wub:

Blooregard

#22
Jul 16, 2008, 19:53:34
wow. creepy...  :( chuo sam za tu prichu ali tek sad sam skontao celu pesmu.
inache pesma je odlichna. ljudi bi stvarno trebalo da stave prst na chelo o tome shta se deshava u svetu oko njih...  :angry5:
Being in the dark about something, I can't even tell you how scary it is.
You don't know what's inside; you don't know what's going to happen to you.
The best way to put somebody at ease is to inform them, even if it's the grim truth.

Coa Smor

#23
Jul 16, 2008, 20:29:22
Jedna od retkih sa Wishmastera koje baš baš gotivim :) Ali (možda baš zato?) jedna od omiljenih NW pesama uopšte :)
What-ifs, Maybes and Might-have-beens fly, soft petals on a breeze.
What-ifs, Maybes and Might-have-beens. Why-nots, Perhaps and Wait-and-sees.

Sirius

#24
Jul 17, 2008, 12:12:55
prva pesma koju sam zavoleo od NW,prva koju sam naucio svirati od njih,jedna od omiljenih uopste,jedna od onih pesama koje mi ne mogu dosaditi makar ih slusao po ceo dan
Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...

Crownless Phoenix

#25
Jul 17, 2008, 16:15:41
15 candles
Redeemers of this world
Dwell in hypocrisy:
"How were we supposed to know?"

4 pink ones
9 blue ones
2 black ones

moji omiljeni stihovi
.               The Shamrock crew
                     Borovnica Crew  :drinkers:
                        
I am singin' for my pleasure
An' that's my only measure
That's my cure for livin'
When I'm feelin' bad

Faustus

#26
Jul 17, 2008, 20:12:07
Izuzetna pesma, kao i sve ostale sa Wishmastera. Jos jedna koja otvara gomilu pitanja u glavi (mladog) coveka. Remek delo.
We're just a second in time
The last in the line
Of the prey that walks the Earth
Good and evil combined!

This is my church of choice,
Love's strength standeth in love's sacrifice!

You can't buy peace of mind in a fuckin' store,
You could do with less but you all want more!

NIJE SVAKO KO LUTA IZGUBLJEN

"Destiny is an excuse for those who don't have the strength to fulfil their wishes. Everything is possible. Even the impossible."
Tuomas Holopainen

Elizabeth

#27
Jul 17, 2008, 23:02:20
Meni muzika nije toliko ''izuzetna'' koliko je tekst... Jebiga, ja imam tu deformaciju da moram da gledam/slusam i jedno i drugo :| Muzika mi je, iskreno, malo monotona, ali to je verovatno zato sto sam pesmu preslusala, lajk, 5423907 puta...



~ Vi slepi, vi gluvi
vi sebični ljudi
što pravite buku
bez reda i smisla
bez zašto i zato
za koga i kako
bez pitanja koje bi
možda osušilo
ponosni osmeh
na licu bez suza
na licu što nikada
obraz okrenulo nije... ~

Faustus

#28
Jul 17, 2008, 23:11:04
Deformaciju? Zar se ne podrazumeva da se obraca paznja i na jedno i na drugo? :|
Muzika se odlicno uklapa u atmosferu pesme. Mislim da sarenilo melodije i prevelika raznolikost tonova ne bi pristajali emociji koju ova pesma nosi...
We're just a second in time
The last in the line
Of the prey that walks the Earth
Good and evil combined!

This is my church of choice,
Love's strength standeth in love's sacrifice!

You can't buy peace of mind in a fuckin' store,
You could do with less but you all want more!

NIJE SVAKO KO LUTA IZGUBLJEN

"Destiny is an excuse for those who don't have the strength to fulfil their wishes. Everything is possible. Even the impossible."
Tuomas Holopainen

Elizabeth

#29
Jul 17, 2008, 23:14:29
Imam utisak da vecina ovde gleda uglavnom samo na tekst, mozda gresim; ako gresim, onda se svima izvinjavam ;) Za mene je to neodvojivo :)

Hmm, da, sad kad si to napisao... Deluje logicno, zar ne?
Pa da... Ne znam sta sam htela da kazem :|



~ Vi slepi, vi gluvi
vi sebični ljudi
što pravite buku
bez reda i smisla
bez zašto i zato
za koga i kako
bez pitanja koje bi
možda osušilo
ponosni osmeh
na licu bez suza
na licu što nikada
obraz okrenulo nije... ~
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